tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post1907807599065741837..comments2024-03-28T19:16:02.689-04:00Comments on Catholic in Brooklyn: Karl Rahner Was Right: The Changing Face of CatholicismCatholic in Brooklynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-23315794206206899422014-08-25T13:33:21.005-04:002014-08-25T13:33:21.005-04:00I would appreciate it if you would just stay away ...I would appreciate it if you would just stay away from my blog in the future. Your comments are snide and insulting and add nothing to clarify any issues. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-34748635074083117002014-08-25T13:10:14.003-04:002014-08-25T13:10:14.003-04:00And Father Zed is still quite open, frank and hone...And Father Zed is still quite open, frank and honest about his shortcomings, limitations and prejudices.Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-77132186649407213152014-08-25T12:40:58.848-04:002014-08-25T12:40:58.848-04:00I am getting really tired of this.
You are way of...I am getting really tired of this.<br /><br />You are way off the rails. I will give you one more comment. So either be as Christian as you can be (which I have yet to see from you), or continue on your path and give me your best zinger, and then I'm closing the comments for this post to you and everyone else.Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-84970142618118887702014-08-25T12:29:50.805-04:002014-08-25T12:29:50.805-04:00Never been a parent have you?Never been a parent have you?Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-13951943398008774342014-08-25T11:58:30.447-04:002014-08-25T11:58:30.447-04:00You keep coming with the ad hominen attacks. Do y...You keep coming with the ad hominen attacks. Do you really think this is Christian? I would have cut you off a long time ago except that I know you personally. <br /><br />There are people who like me too and respect what I do, including priests. So what? The only one who really counts is Our Lord. What does He think? He says He will judge us by the love we show to one another. I'm not getting a lot of love in your personal insults. <br /><br />It is not me you are hurting, as much as you may want to. You are hurting yourself. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-25352568417892578902014-08-25T11:48:43.246-04:002014-08-25T11:48:43.246-04:00And at the end of the day my collaboration and ass...And at the end of the day my collaboration and assistance will be still be actively sought out and appreciated, from a high ranking monsignor to a novice altar boy, because I am not perceived as a whiny bloviating crackpot. <br /><br />Thank you for your offer of assistance but, as I have mentioned previously, I already have a select number of competent credentialed professionals whom I consult on a regular basis.Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-36170697177058293592014-08-25T10:42:59.802-04:002014-08-25T10:42:59.802-04:00When are you going to give it up? I know you perso...When are you going to give it up? I know you personally. I know the conversations we have had. You have tried to paint yourself as a mainstream Catholic. You and I both know better. <br /><br />I am glad you do all these wonderful things. God bless you, and I mean that. But that doesn't take away from the things I have heard you say, and it doesn't take away from your treatment of me on this blog and your attempts to smear me. <br /><br />I only pointed out your involvement with traditionalists to the extent that I know. I am sure there is much more that I don't know. Be who you are and stop pretending. <br /><br />Stop with the ad hominem attacks and psychoanalyzing me. It only shows that you have nothing to say. You really are not doing yourself any favors with all of these comments. <br /><br />If I really wanted to help you out, I would start deleting your comments. But if you really want to hang yourself, be my guest.Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-4501950114975308512014-08-25T10:23:39.368-04:002014-08-25T10:23:39.368-04:00Please let me know when you have spent at least tw...Please let me know when you have spent at least twenty years toiling in catechism, youth ministry, community outreach, homebound ministry, food pantries, thrift stores, liturgical committees, RCIA, evangelization ministry, ministry to the disabled, altar server formation and direction, Catholic homeschooling, international humanitarian support, ethnic apostolates, and this is before enumerating anything affiliated with Holy Innocents.<br /><br />Just thought I would provide some contextual background.<br /><br /><br /><br />Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-32867419612681699732014-08-25T09:06:46.323-04:002014-08-25T09:06:46.323-04:00Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-25159938791231955442014-08-25T08:28:14.169-04:002014-08-25T08:28:14.169-04:00That plane just missed hitting the Empire State Bu...That plane just missed hitting the Empire State Building by about a mile..........Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-88248875085712551812014-08-25T04:43:42.662-04:002014-08-25T04:43:42.662-04:00I'm sorry, but I have spent enough time in per...I'm sorry, but I have spent enough time in personal conversation with you and heard enough of your disrespectful and hateful comments against church hierarchy to know exactly where you are coming from. I ashamedly admit that I agreed with you at one time. And that is exactly the kind of thing that I am now separating myself from. <br /><br />Yes, I know you work in your "Novus Ordo" parish as Traditionalists call it, and I have been very supportive of that. But you are also a leader and intimately involved at Holy Innocents and the Latin Mass and in other traditional movements, such as St. Hugh of Cluny. You have been directly involved in all of Holy Innocents' efforts to save their parish from closure. You serve the Latin Mass there and are a major part of the Knights of Columbus at HI whose main goal is to preserve Catholic "tradition", which is a code word for traditionalism. If you try to deny that, you have completely destroyed any credibility you might still have, which doesn't seem to be much. <br /><br />You are digging your own hole here. I have not made any personal attacks against you or anyone else, but all I am getting from you is personal attacks. You are telling me that I am immature, irresponsible, mentally unbalanced and in need of immediate professional help. This is the first time in my entire life that anyone ever accused me of being a "megalomaniac." You have now added "insubordination." What is that about? I'm "insubordinate"? That makes no sense at all. You make snide comments like the "cradle catholic" one in order to show that I do not know what I am talking about, but you do not address the points in my post at all. In other posts you accused me of quietism, which is a heresy. <br /><br />My posts are not just my own opinions. I quote from many different and respected sources. I am in complete and total support of Church Magesterium and Church dogma. And this seems to be precisely why you, LatinMass and other traditionalists reject everything I write. Another colleague of yours at Holy Innocents in emails suggested that I am bothered by "spirits", indicating some sort of demonic influence. That is classic groupthink. If you can't kill the message, then kill the messenger.<br /><br />You and all of the others here are proving that the people at Holy Innocents and traditionalists in general are completely out of control. <br /><br />The more comments you make, the more you will continue to prove the point of my post, and yes, I do think I will add you as co-author. <br /><br />One last thing, Screwtape was a devil in CS Lewis's book whose goal was to destroy Christians. By choosing that name, just what are you telling us?Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-49108066515171703132014-08-24T22:05:14.329-04:002014-08-24T22:05:14.329-04:00Your reading comprehension is positively deplorabl...Your reading comprehension is positively deplorable.<br /><br />My first comment on this this post was to point out that you were using a term in an incorrect sense. (For the record, you would be classified as a "Revert Catholic"; "Cradle Catholic" implies uninterrupted continuity.) You took immediate umbrage as if I had engaged in libel. My attempt to clarify just served to release further invective which led me question the state of your behavioral health. <br /><br />I have spent my entire career working for the "institutional Church" (including Jesuits!) and am currently pursing an ecclesiastical course of action which most "traditionalists" would openly disparage; therefore I am much more a "Novus Ordo Catholic" than a "rad-trad". <br /><br />It is quite telling that you have made no indication that you have any semblance of a support network of professionals. <br /><br />I openly wonder if you display this level of insubordination in your place of employment. <br /><br />Again, I know that you will not answer any of the points raised but will retreat into self-righteous indignation.Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-77998753844403840302014-08-24T10:49:30.074-04:002014-08-24T10:49:30.074-04:00Wow. I truly do appreciate your assistance in pro...Wow. I truly do appreciate your assistance in proving the points made in my post. Keep this up, and I will feel compelled to credit you as co-author. <br /><br />I hope you won't mind if I use your comments in future posts. They are very helpful. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-59177979032153227962014-08-24T10:29:34.764-04:002014-08-24T10:29:34.764-04:00You have some serious megalomaniac issues. Please ...You have some serious megalomaniac issues. Please consider making an appointment to see a mental or behavioral health professional for your own good. Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-51094397933221655812014-08-24T07:32:01.794-04:002014-08-24T07:32:01.794-04:00LatinMass, I re-read your comment, and I realized ...LatinMass, I re-read your comment, and I realized that you think I left the traditionalist movement because I was personally offended. I have had some pretty nasty things said about me on this blog, but except for a couple of rare instances, no one has been rude to my face. <br /><br />I left the traditionalist movement because I could no longer take the hateful things said against the hierarchy of the church, specifically Cardinal Dolan and Pope Francis, the constant putdown of the "Novus Ordo" Mass as basically being a Protestant fake, and the rejection of Vatican II as a valid council, among other things. I do understand that schism is about a group of people leaving the Church, and yes, I do feel that there is a great danger of this happening among traditionalists because so many have already separated themselves from the mainstream Church in their mind. The comments I pointed you to are just a small evidence of this. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-25035846269421855462014-08-24T06:01:56.295-04:002014-08-24T06:01:56.295-04:00Ah, now I understand the point of your comments. ...Ah, now I understand the point of your comments. You are giving a truly brilliant example of one of the signs of those caught up in groupthink:<br /><br />"Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or stupid."<br /><br />Thank you for helping us all to understand this point. It is appreciated far more than you know!Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-70000108471882642142014-08-24T00:16:16.177-04:002014-08-24T00:16:16.177-04:00My point is that you are not able to handle constr...My point is that you are not able to handle constructive criticism or correction without taking personal affront and umbrage. That betrays an immature and irresponsible personality. I seriously and truly suggest that you include a mental health professional and a spiritual director in your personal support network, especially if you plan to continue in this semblance of an apostolate. (For the record, in addition to ecclesiastical superiors, I also have those mentioned on my own "team".) This is being written for your own good not out of any sense of "traditionalist superiority". Unfortunately, I believe that you will process this as yet another "attack" rather than a sincere attempt at an intervention. Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-24770218803021361252014-08-23T13:00:42.482-04:002014-08-23T13:00:42.482-04:00What's your point? You couldn't find anyt...What's your point? You couldn't find anything else to attack, so you chose to say that even though I was baptized Catholic and received all the sacraments as a child and have my religious foundation in the Catholic Church, that I'm somehow less than Catholic because I left at one point? Is this suppose to somehow lessen my credibility? <br /><br />When I, and most other people use the term "cradle Catholic", that means that we were baptized into the Catholic Church as babies. It's not suppose to be theological. <br /><br />I still say you are straining at a gnat in your attempt to discredit me. And it reflects badly on you.Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-8244210467411481382014-08-23T12:45:33.701-04:002014-08-23T12:45:33.701-04:00Quite the opposite.
The term is sociological not ...Quite the opposite.<br /><br />The term is sociological not theological. <br /><br />Expostulation as an avocation requires a modicum of erudition and discretion which unfortunately is noted by its absence in this particular forum. <br />Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-28315789560105554062014-08-22T15:12:03.317-04:002014-08-22T15:12:03.317-04:00You are right - I've been reading too many ext...You are right - I've been reading too many extremist blogs :)Shirelands Goldadorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823419686729840803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-62769980575510279012014-08-22T14:37:37.251-04:002014-08-22T14:37:37.251-04:00You know better than that. Once we re baptized Cat...You know better than that. Once we re baptized Catholic, we never stop being Catholic. I was baptized when I was 2 weeks old. Being a lapsed Catholic does not mean we are not Catholic anymore. <br /><br />Straining at a gnat?Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-59255165545772842062014-08-22T13:20:46.232-04:002014-08-22T13:20:46.232-04:00Cradle Catholic: A person who has been raised in t...Cradle Catholic: A person who has been raised in the Catholic faith since birth (in contrast to a person who has converted to the faith). It is usually implicit that the person has not lapsed in the faith. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cradle_CatholicMister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-47931644281000724112014-08-22T12:13:24.507-04:002014-08-22T12:13:24.507-04:00As far as your first comment above (which I did no...As far as your first comment above (which I did not see at first), have you read anything I wrote? Did you read the horrible comments from the HI facebook page? Did you look at the comments from the Shaw article? You read the comments left here by one of your parishioners. You don't think there is anything wrong with that?<br /><br />I love the TLM. I think it is beautiful and I am very glad Pope B gave us the SP. But there is just too much garbage that goes with it in the attitudes from people. <br /><br />We live in very evil times when the Catholic Church is under massive attack in every way. The only way to be really sure of being on the right side is to stay as close to the Magesterium as possible. I actually find the traditional movement more dangerous than liberals because you know exactly where you are with liberals. But traditionalists can look so good and so spiritual, and yet be completely against Church authority. Scary stuff. It is something I know about and that is why I write about it.<br /><br />Why is it that all sedevancantist groups are traditionalists? Did you every wonder about that?<br /><br />If you still don't know what I am talking about after I have showed this to you time after time, then you are just closing your eyes to it. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-65619011229755361342014-08-22T11:49:01.578-04:002014-08-22T11:49:01.578-04:00You say you do not spend a lot of time on the comp...You say you do not spend a lot of time on the computer. However, I see your name in a lot of places. <br /><br />Now that you know how radical Adam Shaw is, will you denounce his article?Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-89273276167743514442014-08-22T11:47:26.823-04:002014-08-22T11:47:26.823-04:00How have I jumped from one thing to another? I am...How have I jumped from one thing to another? I am a cradle Catholic who was away from the church for 38 years. During that time time I was part of a protestant cult for almost 30 of those years and unchurched the rest of the time. I have been attending the TLM since my second week back in the Catholic Church 7 years ago. I have recently separated myself from traditionalists because I no longer want to be part of the hateful, disrespectful attitudes that I see in this group. <br /><br />You tell me that I need to spend more time with trads. Isn't 7 years enough time? <br /><br />The only thing I have "jumped" to is to be part of the mainstream Church instead of a fringe element, which is what traditionalists are. I am fully and completely supportive of the Magesterium, unlike many of the trads I know. I am a daily communicant.<br /><br />Just what is it that I have "jumped" to? Do you have a problem with people who are not traditionalists? Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.com