tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post6260974063629507502..comments2024-02-24T12:12:53.249-05:00Comments on Catholic in Brooklyn: Father Zuhlsdorf, You Might Want to Rethink This OneCatholic in Brooklynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-88999101105791641292015-04-05T14:29:16.636-04:002015-04-05T14:29:16.636-04:00As you point out, not all Christians who reject th...As you point out, not all Christians who reject the authority of the Magisterium are Protestant, but as you say, those who are not Protestant are schismatic, and that would include sedevacantist groups. Their common element, of course, is rejection of the authority of the Pope. However, the vast majority of Christians who reject the authority of the Pope do proudly identify themselves as Protestants.<br /><br />Yes, again, you are absolutely right when you say the Eastern Orthodox are as Catholic as Roman Catholics, but like Roman Catholics, they accept the authority of the Magisterium and, more specifically, of the Holy Father. For example, the main Maronite Cathedral in America is right here in Brooklyn - Our Lady of Lebanon - and they have their own bishop apart from the bishop appointed for the Brooklyn diocese. But they fully accept the authority of the Pope. So yes, you are right, I should have written "The Magisterium of the Catholic Church", including all recognized rites. <br /><br />Thanks for keeping me on my toes. :) Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-31994360394940525222015-04-05T08:11:30.514-04:002015-04-05T08:11:30.514-04:00@Catholic. I believe that my lack of clarity may h...@Catholic. I believe that my lack of clarity may have caused some confusion; my comment was in response to W.Lindsay, and not to anything you wrote. No need for the apology regarding Protestants; besides, I'm Roman Catholic - which conveniently brings me to my next point.<br /><br />You wrote that "A Protestant is a Christian who does not accept the authority of the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church"; well, yes and no. Protestants are the children of the Reformation, and certainly do not accept the Holy See. However, the Orthodox and certain Coptic churches, also do not accept the Holy See, but they are never classified as being "Protestant". This may be because they are considered to be schismatic rather than heretical; a crucial distinction, I'm sure you would agree.<br /><br />Also, our Eastern Rite brethren tend to become (justifiably) grieved when those of us in the Latin Rite equate Roman Catholicism with Catholicism; they may constitute only 1% of the Church, but they are as Catholic as you and I. So, perhaps a better term would be the "magisterium of the Catholic Church"? I may be behaving like a pedant here, but I hope you see the validity of what I'm saying, because language is important - especially when this mode of communication means we are unable to see body language nor hear the cadence. <br /><br />@W.Lindsay If you are suggesting that the laity should have a role in the appointment of bishops, I do agree, though I'm not sure at what level. Indeed, it was only at Vatican I that the Pope claimed the right to appoint all bishops. However, I do not share your grim view of our hierarchy. Might I suggest that, if it is possible, you attend an Eastern Rite parish, as you will find the Liturgy to your liking. One word of caution: as with the Orthodox, our Eastern Rite Catholics can sometimes have a 'relaxed' understanding of attendance, and many have no problem arriving late or leaving early. Additionally, you may find that the pastor is married with children.<br /><br />Also, you mention that the type of person entering seminary "...were not the most masculine..." Goodness, please break out of this stereotype. There are countless heterosexual men who are quite effeminate and many homosexuals who are truly very masculine (in the sense you mean).<br /><br />Apologies to you both for the length of this post. I only recently discovered this blog and it is incredibly refreshing to find an orthodox blogger who is not narrow-minded.<br /><br /><br />albanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16702445320452019277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-3483677638231509492015-04-05T05:29:44.001-04:002015-04-05T05:29:44.001-04:00A Protestant is a Christian who does not accept th...A Protestant is a Christian who does not accept the authority of the Magesterium of the Roman Catholic Church. Your words most definitely fit that description. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-34640929557268517312015-04-04T19:39:09.794-04:002015-04-04T19:39:09.794-04:00Well, I am not a Protestant. I would like to ask t...Well, I am not a Protestant. I would like to ask that you read the thread from the beginning. In some parts the Bible is there to Express the Will of God; I can't see how the Church has any authority over the Natural Order. I also answer the Galatians verse in the thread. <br /><br />To back up Vorris, I was trying to discern a vocation back in the late 80s. I met others doing the same thing. What I heard from others was that there was a gatekeeper like a nun that if you expressed any displeasure at homosexuality, you were discouraged from entering the seminary. The type of person that has been entering seminaries were not the most masculine or the most traditional. So now the Church reflects its grooming protocols. <br /><br />In the preceding post, I meant to say "preventing from disposing a bishop". In the Orthodox Church, the laity still have the responsibility for keeping the Faith. They have the power to dispose. Councils are only called good when the Laity accept them. In the Orthodox Church there are check and balances. In the Roman Catholic Church what I have been witnessing is that all sort of things are shoved down our throats. <br /><br />Case in point, turning the priest around. It has now come out that the priest never faced the people. The Orthodox do a much better job of maintaining their traditions, their priests have their back to the people just like the Coptic and the Ethiopian Church. So, this priest thing does not inspire continued confidence in the hierarchy. I'm sorry. I see all sorts of things that don't inspire confidence. What are the fruits of Vatican II? Aren't we supposed to judge a Tree by its fruit? The Orthodox do not accept a Council until a time has passed and it proves itself. W.LindsayWheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236577164127792348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-7276093981188116952015-04-04T14:07:34.836-04:002015-04-04T14:07:34.836-04:00Good points, Alban. I think I may have maligned Pr...Good points, Alban. I think I may have maligned Protestants. My heartfelt apologies. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-72299096175959504072015-04-04T12:56:56.213-04:002015-04-04T12:56:56.213-04:00I read your entry in which you claim to have "...I read your entry in which you claim to have "exposed an error in Lumen Gentium", claiming that it mirrors Masonic teaching, but it is you who are in error. In reaction to LG's call for an end to separateness, you state that in Heaven people keep such things as race and gender. LG calls for an end to separateness in order that humanity "...may be brought into the unity of the family of God". This, in no way, advocates the diminution, or abolition, of such things as race or gender. I find your understanding of the expression "separateness" to be rather narrow. Your claim to have exposed an error in Lumen Gentium is baseless. <br /><br />Finally, it may also be useful to give prayerful consideration to what St Paul wrote in Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". Oh dear, "...nor is there male and female." Apparently, St Paul disagrees with you - and I would hope that you do not consider Paul to be a proponent of masonic teaching.<br /><br /><br />albanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16702445320452019277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-71668218946361766782015-04-04T12:08:37.768-04:002015-04-04T12:08:37.768-04:00You are a very good Protestant. You are a very good Protestant. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-83206554458906231532015-04-04T09:42:58.373-04:002015-04-04T09:42:58.373-04:00But we do have a problem in the Catholic Church wi...But we do have a problem in the Catholic Church with our Hierarchy. At Catholic Answers, in their forum on Social Justice, I exposed an error in Lumen Gentium. It mirrors Masonic teaching: <a href="http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=949886&page=5" rel="nofollow">Pg 5, post #73</a>. Cultural Marxism has infected our whole clergy beginning with things about nations and races. Anti-racism which is political correctness (Cultural Marxism) has become Catholic teaching. With the error in Lumen Gentium exposed, this calls into question a lot of things. <br /><br />It is the way the Catholic Church is set up. In the 10th century, they added to the canon law that the laity can depose a bishop for unfaithful, undogmatic things. The Laity still can in the Eastern Orthodox Churches. There is no system of correction in the Catholic Church; it is either too slow, or non-functioning. W.LindsayWheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236577164127792348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-54286543101482357482015-04-03T11:26:28.339-04:002015-04-03T11:26:28.339-04:00At first, I did not look at Voris' Pause progr...At first, I did not look at Voris' Pause program. Now that I see it is does concern me somewhat. <br />It is not so much that a group would start a group like this, it basic premise is on paper a good idea. <br />But a program like this should be under that supervision of proper Church authority.<br />The authentic teaching authority of the Church comes from the seat of Peter and flows from there to the office of the local Bishop.<br />It is very spiritually concerning that anyone calling themselves Catholic would set themselves as a teaching authority outside the Church.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438975605937602658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-41198069986874091662015-04-03T06:24:15.837-04:002015-04-03T06:24:15.837-04:00Voris is very good at what he does. He rightfull...Voris is very good at what he does. He rightfully points out the crisis of unbelief in the Church. Church attendance in the west has severely dropped. There are many Catholics who don't believe the teachings of the Church. However, instead of trying to unite people and bring them back to Holy Mother Church, Voris, and many like him, under the appearance of "love of the truth", have exploited the situation and used it as a weapon to turn people against the Church. <br /><br />Not everything they say is false. The devil, at his most effective, will give you 99% truth. It only takes a drop of arsenic to kill.<br /><br />The simplicity of Voris's message is the key to just how false it is. There are many different factors contributing to the crisis in the Church, not the least of which is the anti-God hedonistic culture we live in. But like every good cult leader, Voris does not allow his followers to see the complexity of the situation, but simplifies it and chooses one enemy to focus on. In Voris's message, the only enemy we really need to be concerned about is the divinely ordained authority of the Catholic Church. And as I have shown, he mercilessly attacks them and urges his followers to do the same. Instead of working to correct any problems in the Church, he tells his listeners that the "establishment" Church - which is the Mystical Body of Christ - is a false church and needs to be destroyed. <br /><br />Sadly, he has deluded many good people, including, apparently, Father John Zuhlsdorf. Someday Voris, and others like him, will be completely exposed by the Holy Spirit, but in the meantime, they continue to wreak much destruction in their paths. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-21115344820826852632015-04-03T02:33:01.688-04:002015-04-03T02:33:01.688-04:00Good points. Will Fr Z consider them? Doubtful. He...Good points. Will Fr Z consider them? Doubtful. He writes some good blogs but I get the impression he's let his popularity go to his head, like Voris. (Have you ever taken a look at the Amazon wish list he has on his blog? Some pricey items on there. A priest fishing for items the average parishioner can't afford seems off to me.)<br /><br />Sounds like Voris has developed a program aimed at grooming his own apostles. With 4 hand-picked apprentices each year, in 3 years, he'll have 12. Just like Jesus. Isn't that special? He should take care not to pick a Judas Iscariot. <br /><br />It amazes me that people can't see the flaws in Voris's reasoning and the fact that he's working against the Church that Christ established. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266640807222998747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-56401146770155374422015-04-02T11:42:33.941-04:002015-04-02T11:42:33.941-04:00:):)Shirelands Goldadorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823419686729840803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-64061485827599581302015-04-02T06:34:01.921-04:002015-04-02T06:34:01.921-04:00I accidentally deleted Jackie Parkes' comment,...I accidentally deleted Jackie Parkes' comment, for which I deeply apologize. Here is your comment, Jackie, which sadly is all too true and which has infected many of Voris's listeners without their realization:<br /><br />Voris reminds me of "I will not serve." Scary. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.com