tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post1653952969945361912..comments2024-02-24T12:12:53.249-05:00Comments on Catholic in Brooklyn: Are You Judge and Juror of Your Parish?Catholic in Brooklynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-17061814156476354782018-08-10T22:27:18.427-04:002018-08-10T22:27:18.427-04:00Well, Catholic in Brooklyn, should the caller have...Well, Catholic in Brooklyn, should the caller have brought up Canon 1373?Christopher Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17477722106362926482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-35330701882473338982018-08-08T13:34:57.334-04:002018-08-08T13:34:57.334-04:00Was that you, Christopher? Whether it was you or ...Was that you, Christopher? Whether it was you or not, what do you think of that answer?Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-51110611486222327862018-08-07T23:01:30.717-04:002018-08-07T23:01:30.717-04:00Catholic in Brooklyn, check out the following URL:...Catholic in Brooklyn, check out the following URL:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/7JhUVmWXXFU?t=1h5m12sChristopher Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17477722106362926482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-75903615531976867432015-03-12T13:12:14.431-04:002015-03-12T13:12:14.431-04:00Nothing as innocent as that. Muckrakers expose re...Nothing as innocent as that. Muckrakers expose real corruption. I consider Voris a divider. He twists and manipulates facts and tries to put things in the worst possible light in order to turn Catholics against the hierarchy and against one another. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-81905171748610479852015-03-12T11:26:34.658-04:002015-03-12T11:26:34.658-04:00Would you consider Mr. Voris a muckraker?Would you consider Mr. Voris a muckraker?Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-9209432987307268202015-03-12T10:51:54.254-04:002015-03-12T10:51:54.254-04:00Do you walk away from family members because they ...Do you walk away from family members because they are not perfect? Do they suddenly stop being your family? I would certainly hope you would answer no to these questions. <br /><br />Likewise, does a Catholic Church cease to be Catholic because there are abuses? Is the Eucharist no longer valid? Does a parish cease to be a part of the Mystical Body of Christ because it is not perfect? If the answer to these questions is no, then you should not leave the parish but instead work to correct the abuses. <br /><br />As I showed, most of what Voris calls "abuses" are perfectly legitimate and valid. These practices may not be to your liking, but they are not wrong and no reason to leave a parish. But if we accept Voris's line of thinking, then as he even admits, this would include most parishes, and if everyone leaves as he recommends, most parishes would close. <br /><br />Think about what Voris is really saying and what you are agreeing to. <br /><br />If you are looking for a perfect Church in which there are no sinners, then you are on the wrong side of heaven. Sinners in the Church is no excuse for deserting. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-18703177323640128922015-03-12T07:00:12.895-04:002015-03-12T07:00:12.895-04:00I THINK Michael Voris means switch parishes, not l...I THINK Michael Voris means switch parishes, not leave THE CHURCH. I know saints have counselled such. For spiritual progress.<br /><br />Mother Teresa complained about invited clergy who would not show up at important events her order had organized. Is she condemned?!<br /><br />Michael Coren, Jesse Romero, Fr. Kenneth Baker, S.J. are all friends of Michael and work WITH his apostolate. There are many more notables. Perhaps they know something you don't. <br /><br />While private revelations of St. Catherine of Siena are not to be dismissed, they are NOT binding on the faithful. Paul rebuked clergy (Mark, Peter, Barnabas etc) Mother Angelica denounced her clerical foes. The faithful can confront the clergy when public scandal or harm is involved which the Catechism acknowledges and Church history has shown us. <br /><br />I think it was providential that Mr Voris learned his no-nonsense style right from Bishop Fulton Sheen (his fantastic apostolate a victim of a modernist in the Church) himself. As an altar boy, Michael witnessed Bishop Sheen dismissing a faith dilutor looking for endorsement for his yoga/Catholic book, with the Bishop pronouncing we only need the way of Jesus Christ, not ANYTHING else, or words to that effect.<br /><br />Michael's public exposure of a Canadian priest who threatened to sue a faithful Catholic because this priest's unCatholic 'leanings' were disclosed by that blogger were excellent. MV's research was great! That blurb (with more to follow, if…) pretty well ensure that blogger won't face law fare of an angry errant priest using good money supplied by the faithful, as a balm for his wounded ego. Just look at that Quebecois priest who sued the ever faithful LifeSite News because he was wrong, and was called out by them. Money came out of my pocket, and the pockets of many other Catholics to keep them going.<br /><br />Catholic Relief Services giving money to those who likely use it to abort children, or teach that end, is complicity in abortion. If one gives knowingly to these secretive modernists, knowing that is the end: automatic excommunicato ~<br /><br />Mother Teresa said what the Church needs the most, today, are fighters.<br /><br />How do you think the Apostle Paul would react to all the abuses we see in our midst? I think it would even be a step or two stronger that Michael Voris's fumigating.<br /><br />Whatever the faithless have been using to advance the Church and meet the call of the Great Commission head on, for the past 50 years—hasn't been working. <br /><br />The time is ripe for a Pope Francis, and yes, even a Michael Voris! May God bless both of them! And all of us— <br />Never Was An Arrow IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16888305762281631968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-58629016794294627632015-03-03T14:32:33.118-05:002015-03-03T14:32:33.118-05:00I'm not quite sure what point you're tryin...I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make, but I have been to the shrine, and I have seen the tourists and the obvious disregard or ignorance of being in a Catholic Church. I would say that a big problem is that the Church doesn't look like a traditional church, and so therefore doesn't, by its appearance, instill a sense of respect. The tourists weren't loud or obnoxious in any sense, but they did not treat it as a sacred place. <br /><br />The tabernacle could have easily been moved to a separate stand near the altar if the sole problem was that there was no room for it on the altar. But it has been moved to an entirely separate room by itself. And personally, I like that because it gives people a chance to pray in front of the Blessed Sacrament without having to deal with people coming and going to see the body of Mother Cabrini. I personally have prayed the rosary in that little room with the tabernacle, and I was grateful for the solitude. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-29004873187703156052015-03-03T09:39:50.414-05:002015-03-03T09:39:50.414-05:00The staff does an excellent job of maintaining the...The staff does an excellent job of maintaining the decorum due a sacred place. As it is located far beyond the orbits of the various districts targeted by secular tourists, I am confident that the shrine is not overrun by those ignorant of the protocols of reverence towards the Blessed Sacrament.Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-20984196838217412032015-03-02T16:46:39.006-05:002015-03-02T16:46:39.006-05:00Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure you...Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure you're right. However, I also think it is good not to have the Blessed Sacrament in the same place as the shrine since it is a tourist attraction. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-60815072401842181352015-03-02T14:52:47.193-05:002015-03-02T14:52:47.193-05:00Just a point of clarification on the Mother Cabrin...Just a point of clarification on the Mother Cabrini shrine. As originally designed, the tabernacle was placed on that selfsame altar. When mass facing the people was introduced a decision was made to relocate the tabernacle to a separate chapel. Since that altar is on an island platform, it would be most difficult to permanently restore the Blessed Sacrament to the sanctuary, unless all the masses were to be celebrated 'ad orientem'. Having had the privilege of assisting at several masses there over the years I am quite familiar with the practicalities of the place. <br /><br />I do encourage all to visit the Shrine. It is a wonderful place of prayer and pilgrimage, all right across the street from the 190th Street "A" line subway station. And it is a short hike from the Cloisters museum.Mister Screwtapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264729242273453898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-91715240572090523002015-03-02T13:35:45.840-05:002015-03-02T13:35:45.840-05:00We don't have to personally like everything th...We don't have to personally like everything that goes on. We all have our own personal preferences. But when Holy Mother Church speaks, it is not our prerogative to stand in judgment. I'm sure Abraham was not happy when The Lord told him to sacrifice Isaac, but he put his own feelings aside and obeyed. For that, he is called the father of the faithful. <br /><br />I think it all comes down to: do we believe the Holy Spirit is in charge? If we do, we put our own feelings aside and let Him lead, even when it doesn't seem to make sense. That is called Faith. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-35832092630274139242015-03-02T13:26:35.851-05:002015-03-02T13:26:35.851-05:00Amen and Amen.
I reposted this on my own facebook ...Amen and Amen.<br />I reposted this on my own facebook page. <br />I too have a problem with all 10 items that Voris mentions. <br />I personally refrain from taking the Sacred Blood at Mass because it causes the need for Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist to have Chalices for everyone, but I serve as one in support of my Pastor's decision to allow it. <br />Church Teaching and Canon Law require religious obedience to Parish Pastors and Bishops. It also gives us the right and the duty to bring own concerns to our Pastors.<br />Just to get up and leave is not the act of a person professing to be a faithful Catholic.<br />I was glad to see your re-print on Fr. Z answer on the Parish membership. I do not think much of Catholics shopping Parishes or drifting around to other Parishes.<br />I was especially pleased in how you begain this article. With the very true state from the man himself. <br />"Only evil minded people profit from confusion in the hearts and minds of Catholics"<br />$10 a month very quickly adds up to 30 pieces of silver.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438975605937602658noreply@blogger.com