tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post230876498668692875..comments2024-03-28T19:16:02.689-04:00Comments on Catholic in Brooklyn: Michael Voris Spiritually Assaults Cardinal DolanCatholic in Brooklynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-4354526963928978082019-12-27T21:55:13.141-05:002019-12-27T21:55:13.141-05:00Catholic in Brooklyn, hold your nose and check out...Catholic in Brooklyn, hold your nose and check out the following URL:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/uDvjqvgx4WMChristopher Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17477722106362926482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-77712095926364110642015-08-24T21:55:38.896-04:002015-08-24T21:55:38.896-04:00For asking a very reasonable and civil question, V...For asking a very reasonable and civil question, Voris is being denigrated on this Forum, so I will repeat the comments of Father George Rutler which has been previously censored with the lie that the author deleted them. Referring to today's martyrs around the world Father Rutler said: <br /><br />"As this suffering continues, many in the United States are willing to tolerate heresy and moral decadence in a vain attempt to “get along” with others. While Christians must “love the sinner and hate the sin,” there are an increasing number of people who are intimidated into enabling the sinner to advertise his sin. In 1992, Cardinal O’Connor said that compromising Catholic truth for the sake of political correctness “was not worth one comma in the Apostles' Creed.”<br /><br />The holy martyrs in the Middle East honor the Church and atone for our degeneracy. Their bishops are willing to struggle and die with them. They must be amazed that bishops and people in other places have their priorities so wrong."Venerationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014260832773148510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-69713007711071300272015-08-24T21:43:59.181-04:002015-08-24T21:43:59.181-04:00You're right. I am angry at pro-abortion and p...You're right. I am angry at pro-abortion and pro-depravity priests and bishops, just as the Catholic religion and the honoring of God requires. Venerationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014260832773148510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-44823042842139296382015-03-22T21:50:07.700-04:002015-03-22T21:50:07.700-04:00I agree. Christ gave us these men, starting with t...I agree. Christ gave us these men, starting with the Apostles who accompanied Him on earth. Voris is attacking the chain of Apostles. He's doing his best to invalidate them. <br /><br />There 's so much foolishness that's gone on in the Church since I was a child. I loved the pre-Vat II Mass and the family atmosphere of the local parish. Voris wants to blame the clergy entirely for all the shenanigans but laity are equally to blame. I watched it happen. Priests can't force people to go to Mass. And laity shouldn't rely solely on their parish priest to teach them the faith. Those who have a fire within, will do some research and reading on their own. That's how I learned the faith.<br /><br />We can disagree with what clergy do and point out flaws and even heresy when it occurs without maligning the individual man. God loves each of us dearly, including each and every one of the clergy. God's ways are not our ways. We don't know how He'll sort it out but we know that He will. Voris needs to simmer down and let God work in His own way and in His own time. His bullying tactics and ginning up animosity toward clergy isn't helpful.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10609771699908232777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-23350170670727766812015-03-22T21:15:25.723-04:002015-03-22T21:15:25.723-04:00You make very good points. I have also pointed ou...You make very good points. I have also pointed out more than once how deceptive Voris is with Cardinal Dolan and St. Francis Xavier. Did you know that one week after that video, Cdl. Dolan became the first NYC bishop to refuse to allow St. FX to carry their church banner in the gay pride parade? Voris not only lies about the incident at the church, he refuses to say anything that would in any way validate Cdl. Dolan. <br /><br />I didn't follow the story about the woman being refused communion, but someone who is a professional journalist and very good Catholic told me he was back and forth on Facebook with Christine Niles about the story, saying the report was unbalanced and unfair, it didn't have any response from the priest, the pastor, the archdiocese. And it didn't quote anyone else who went to the Mass to witness it. He said that Niles called him a liar. <br /><br />So you can see, you are in very good company in your assessments. I have found that the litmus test for anyone presenting himself as Voris does is: do they support Church hierarchy. That doesn't mean agreeing with everything every bishop says, but it does mean no wholesale condemnation. It means realizing that although we disagree with a bishop, we still recognize his authority. This is where Voris is definitely lacking in every way. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-5896052284953895972015-03-22T19:40:56.691-04:002015-03-22T19:40:56.691-04:00I used to like Voris and watched every Vortex unti...I used to like Voris and watched every Vortex until he came out with the video where he claims Cdl Dolan was welcoming the gay group at St FX. After viewing the video with audio transcript, I wrote an email to CMTV and respectfully pointed out that Voris was mistaken about Cdl Dolan's reaction. I got a response from Terry Carroll that was less than charitable. That was my first inkling that Voris and company play fast and loose with truth. <br /><br />I used to be FB friends with Christine Niles. I liked her Forward Boldly interviews with Fr John Fisher (Fr Roman Manchester) and she seemed like a good Catholic woman/wife/mother. I commented on a post by a mutual FB friend that Voris invalidated his 'poll' on contraceptives at the March for Life by using a poorly worded question. Christine jumped in and seemed very put out that I would dare criticize Voris. After that, it seemed that she was Johnny-on-the-spot to post in opposition (in a rather nasty manner) to any comment I made on FB about any topic. It became so annoying that I blocked her for awhile. <br /><br />For anything I've read about Voris in blogs and on FB, Christine has been right there to combat anyone who dared to say anything about Voris that wasn't praise. I found it odd and a bit scandalous for a married woman to be defending Voris like a catty high school cheerleader defending her quarterback boyfriend. This is the sort of behavior I experienced from Fr Corapi's fans. They so idolized Fr Corapi that they were intolerant and nasty in their treatment of any who questioned Fr Corapi's fidelity to the priesthood. I also wondered how a mother of young children had so much time to monitor all things Voris on the internet. I had to question my view of Christine as a good Catholic woman/wife/mother.<br /><br />Thank you for continuing to point out the flaws in Voris's thinking. He doesn't think in a logical pattern, which I've also noted to be true about Christine. So much of his reporting amounts to speculation and gossip based on "credible anonymous sources". I think he's leading people astray and trying to build his own little empire of elite "authentic Catholics" by tearing down other apostolates. There's hardly any group or teacher of the faith that he hasn't targeted from Fr Barron to Catholic news media, Catholic Answers to EWTN, even including his one time friends. It seems Voris doesn't want his fans listening to anyone but him. No disagreement with Voris is allowed on the CMTV FB page. The dynamic of the group resembles a cult. It's dangerous and I hope and pray that his blind followers wake up and that Voris has a conversion of heart.<br /><br />BTW...whatever happened to the young woman who was refused communion because she was kneeling? Voris made a big deal out of that and used the opportunity to park his new Vortex-mobile outside the church. How many of his fans harrassed that priest with phone calls and emails? My suspicion at the time was that Voris sent the woman into the church to test the priest and the priest may have sensed that the woman wasn't genuine. It's not likely that the woman was a parishioner at the church. I think if the priest had recognized her as a parishioner, his reaction would have been different. They dropped follow-up to that "breaking news" report like a hot potato. But, of course, the damage was done and Voris met his goal of maligning the priest.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10609771699908232777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-83875672085993911102015-03-22T17:35:13.238-04:002015-03-22T17:35:13.238-04:00I can guarantee you that Christine Niles is the on...I can guarantee you that Christine Niles is the one who blocked you. She sent me a private email after this post assuring me that Voris has no time to read postings by "disgruntled bloggers." Yet she seemed to find time to read my blog.<br /><br />I have also received emails from Terry Carroll, another right hand to Voris. They keep very close track of everything that is written about Voris, especially anything negative. Richard Nixon had nothing on them when it comes to "enemies list."<br /><br />Welcome to the club, and thanks so much for your comments. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-388389382229060602015-03-22T16:53:35.424-04:002015-03-22T16:53:35.424-04:00Since I left my comment above on this blog, I'...Since I left my comment above on this blog, I've been blocked from commenting on the CMTV Facebook page. It's interesting because, while I sometimes read the page when a post ends up on my newsfeed, I've never commented on the page. Why would the administrator suddenly decide to block me? Does the page administrator comb the internet looking for people who disagree with what Voris is doing and block them all?<br /><br />It's odd and hypocritical behavior. They don't want anyone who disagrees with Voris to comment on the CMTV page yet they feel that Cardinal Dolan is out of line for sending Voris packing when he tried to publicly smack down the Cardinal. Given the nastiness of Voris's remarks about Cardinal Dolan in a number of Vortex videos, why would Voris and crew think Cardinal Dolan would be interested in giving Voris an opportunity to spout his vitriol during an event over which Cardinal Dolan was presiding? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10609771699908232777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-76692842162674674682015-03-21T18:28:48.375-04:002015-03-21T18:28:48.375-04:00Please see my post concerning this video:
http://...Please see my post concerning this video:<br /><br />http://catholicinbrooklyn.blogspot.com/2015/03/michael-voris-faithful-catholic.htmlCatholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-79051365603720863442015-03-21T15:03:53.776-04:002015-03-21T15:03:53.776-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Miami Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07899614361038568361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-58767628794778810132015-03-20T16:29:28.658-04:002015-03-20T16:29:28.658-04:00You're rather angry, aren't you? Did you h...You're rather angry, aren't you? Did you happen to see the quote from St. Catherine's Dialogue? Oh, that's right, you already explained it to me. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-51844153247839377352015-03-20T15:40:17.390-04:002015-03-20T15:40:17.390-04:00What staggering phony outrage. Since when do cowar...What staggering phony outrage. Since when do cowardly bishops allow themselves to be questioned about anything? When and where exactly? Stop condemning a modest attempt to confront the sort of ecclesial cowardice whose net effect leads to validating all the moral depravity of popular culture including the crushing of baby skulls by the millions. Venerationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014260832773148510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-55647386224502503162015-03-20T15:27:28.608-04:002015-03-20T15:27:28.608-04:00I know. I should stay much more calm and charitab...I know. I should stay much more calm and charitable like you. I guess all of those thousands of other people marching in the parade were also "promoting their status." Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-38152291714655091512015-03-20T15:25:13.892-04:002015-03-20T15:25:13.892-04:00St. Catherine didn't refer to anyone. These a...St. Catherine didn't refer to anyone. These are the words of God the Father as recorded by St. Catherine, and they are:<br /><br />" I showed you this in an image when I wanted to teach you the respect laypeople ought to have for these ministers of mine, regardless of how good or evil they may be, and how displeased I am with disrespect"<br /><br />Doesn't seem to differentiate between any sins. In the words of God the Father:<br /><br />"Therefore, a person can do no worse violence than to assume the right to punish my ministers."Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-27346558413098630942015-03-20T15:21:10.298-04:002015-03-20T15:21:10.298-04:00St. Catherine was not referring to Bishops who are...St. Catherine was not referring to Bishops who are pro-aborts and anti-Catholic bigots. Venerationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014260832773148510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-41127681199650272192015-03-20T15:18:42.959-04:002015-03-20T15:18:42.959-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Venerationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014260832773148510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-16466936304681544912015-03-20T14:08:37.599-04:002015-03-20T14:08:37.599-04:00I saw that Vortex as well today, and I will be wri...I saw that Vortex as well today, and I will be writing a post on it. <br /><br />I understand your point about the question, but Voris was not really looking for an answer. He wanted to rattle Cardinal Dolan's cage. The question was very cleverly crafted and civil in its tone, but the accusation contained in it cannot be denied. <br /><br />I think it is very important to reach out to the homosexual community. They aren't going to come to us on our terms, and we most definitely can't be a part of their events. This was a very good mutual ground on which to meet. <br /><br />Cardinal Dolan accepted the position as Grand Marshal before the pro life group was excluded. That was totally the decision of the parade committee, and Cardinal Dolan had no say in it. I understand your point, but I disagree. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-79579238198496292022015-03-20T13:32:07.983-04:002015-03-20T13:32:07.983-04:00I, for a change, have no problem in how Michael Vo...I, for a change, have no problem in how Michael Voris asked the question.<br />One, the question was rather polite if you compare how he has talked about his Eminence behind his back.<br />Two, There is scandal is cardinal Dolen serving as Grand Marshal, but not the scandal that Michael thinks. The scandal is from the St Patrick parade excluding Pro-Life groups. <br />Three, His Eminence is a public personage. Asking his a question in public, even a biting question is fair. Maybe not nice or polite, but fair.<br />I personally find it unconscionable that a Prince of the Church would preside over an event were Pro-Life groups would be excluded. Especially if the manta of the event was supposed to be "All are welcome"<br />No, I have no problem with the question or how it was asked. <br />Further, I have no problem on how Michael was treated afterwards. St. Paul said something about reaping what you sow and brother Michael definitely reaped what he has sown.<br />I do have a problem with how Michael acted afterwards. He is like a bratty little boy, who throws rocks at people at the park, then freaks out when someone throw rocks back at him. In his vortex, "Love to Have Ya!" he was mocking and insulting of Cardinal Dolen. Gee, I wonder why the Archdiocese does not roll out a red carpet for CMTV?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438975605937602658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-66386805470771511462015-03-19T12:36:21.610-04:002015-03-19T12:36:21.610-04:00You have learned well from Michael Voris. I give ...You have learned well from Michael Voris. I give you an A+. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-77998116060389366812015-03-19T12:17:38.644-04:002015-03-19T12:17:38.644-04:00Clearly you're a shill for +Dolan and company,...Clearly you're a shill for +Dolan and company, and not a particularly bright one at that. + Dolan is a poster boy for poor leadership and scandal, but I suppose someone will always rise up to defend the indefensible. Edison Frisbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595670494917940925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-36408313697407861072015-03-19T09:22:43.692-04:002015-03-19T09:22:43.692-04:00Of course you can go to a Cardinal with any questi...Of course you can go to a Cardinal with any questions or concerns you have. But blindsiding him on a public street and trying to make him look bad is not the way to do it. All Voris suceeded in doing was making himself look bad and getting thrown out. <br /><br />I have seen this quote all over the Internet, and it is attributed to St. Catherine of Siena. I have never been able to find it in her writings. Can you give me a specific quote and where it is from? Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-24574980047234703232015-03-19T09:20:39.806-04:002015-03-19T09:20:39.806-04:00You obviously have never read St. Catherine of Sie...You obviously have never read St. Catherine of Siena a Doctor of the Church. She had a dialogue with God the Father in which He told her that he considers the very worst sin as attacking the priests and bishops of the Church. If you would like to read about it, I did a post:<br /><br />http://catholicinbrooklyn.blogspot.com/2015/02/st-catherine-of-siena-warns-michael.html<br /><br />Or you can just pick up a copy of The Dialogue and read it for yourself. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-5863433792491388622015-03-19T09:18:06.622-04:002015-03-19T09:18:06.622-04:00When Cardinal Dolan starts going to gay bars and &...When Cardinal Dolan starts going to gay bars and "dancing" with homosexuals, then you can compare him to Aaron. Marching as Grand Marshal in a parade in which homosexuals are also marching is hardly the same thing. I think I do know the difference. You apparently don't.<br /><br />Your characterization would also taint all of the thousands of other people who marched in the parade. How dare they march alongside professing homosexuals! Don't they know these people are unclean and need to be shunned? <br /><br />Or could it be they are poor sinners in need of God's mercy, and we who are the grateful recipients of that mercy have a responsibility to try to bring them to the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is why Our Lord dined alongside sinners. You don't convert anyone by rejecting them as depraved and evil. You have to reach out to to them, be willing to wash their feet, as it were. <br /><br />That is what Cardinal Dolan did, and God bless him for it. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-56750976324812111352015-03-19T08:43:26.867-04:002015-03-19T08:43:26.867-04:00What a cheap mischaracterization of Christ and 200...What a cheap mischaracterization of Christ and 2000 years of evangelists. Christ took on the stench of the sheep and dined with sinners to dispel their errors and exorcise their demons, Cardinal Dolan is Aaron,the priest who stinks like the sin of the sheep because he builds a golden calf so his people can dance with their demons. You don't know the difference and should not be teaching Christ's people. TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-75465290181724097732015-03-19T08:28:39.119-04:002015-03-19T08:28:39.119-04:00There are no prohibitions in asking a Cardinal to ...<br />There are no prohibitions in asking a Cardinal to address the people he is scandalizing. <br /><br />You might want to google the quote below: <br /><br />"We've had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence"TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.com