tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post7824942143838837110..comments2024-03-28T19:16:02.689-04:00Comments on Catholic in Brooklyn: The Synod: Fasten Your SeatbeltsCatholic in Brooklynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-34002069920934333512014-10-16T13:47:30.709-04:002014-10-16T13:47:30.709-04:00I, myself do not believe I am being optimistic. I ...I, myself do not believe I am being optimistic. I am simply putting my faith in the promises of Christ. Our Lord said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against our Church that is founded on Peter.<br />I too disagree with Cardinal Kasper on the matter of divorced and remarried Catholics receiving Communion.<br />I personally do not see why all the hub-bub about the Relatio post disceptationem. My poor latin translates this to read, Report after debate. A report of what was discussed, not what is being decided. There is a big difference between the two.<br />As far as "valuing their [homo]sexual orientation", I understand from the above comments that ‘valuing’ was misinterpreted and that is supposed to mean ‘evaluating’. Which makes more sense. However, I personally have no problem with the phrase "valuing their [homo]sexual orientation". I, myself am an alcoholic 13 years sober. Alcoholism is to say the least disordered as is homosexuality. However, God gave me this. My Creator inflicted this on me for His reasons and His purpose. He obviously did not give it to me to be indulged and drink myself to death. (which I most likely would have done years ago if I had not turned to sobriety) God lovingly gave this to me as a cross to bear and as a sacrifice. A burning sacrifice that I can lay at the feet of Christ. In imitation of the great Sacrifice He Himself laid at my feet for my salvation, and for that of the whole world.<br />I also agree with Cardinal Burke on almost all his statements. However, I also believe some of his statements also show a lack of confidence in and a little disloyally to the Holy Father.<br />Yes, Michael Voris is a good reporter and a top investigated journalist. It is just his commentary, with his sketchy theology and attacks on Clergy that I could do without.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438975605937602658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-5387880671638226322014-10-16T04:06:43.671-04:002014-10-16T04:06:43.671-04:00THanks for that explanation of one of the sentence...THanks for that explanation of one of the sentences in that document that I have had a hard time with.... sigh...I WISH I knew Italian!...and Latin...and Spanish...oh well.. thank youplatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02429282716197202042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-6794599978595425052014-10-16T03:59:40.045-04:002014-10-16T03:59:40.045-04:00You are extraordinarily optimistic. Cardinal Kaspe...You are extraordinarily optimistic. Cardinal Kasper is driving me nuts!! I wish HE would be silenced! I cannot stand all his interviews. Also WHY should the church be able to value a homosexual orientation?...what about the warning that St Paul gives in Corinthians about eating the body and drinking the blood unworthily and without discerning the body and blood and if you do, then you eat and drink condemnation on yourself. Cardinal Kasper says that he agrees that the 'spirit of Vatican II" is in the Synod and he is not referring to a spirit with a hermeneutic of continuity.. It is not just the blogoshere there are MANY bishops upset also . Did you read the statement from the Synod? I think both the Church and the pope do not give clear unambiguous statements , I find Pope Francis to be very confusing...and I am tired of trying to figure out what he is saying or what he means so much of the time. I need som clarity in whole paragraphs. Much of ehis sounds like doublespeak to me. I am glad Cardinal Burke speaks out and he has to be really upset and following his conscience to do so or he , of all people, would not be doing it!. and I am glad that Michael reports on this, I do not think he should be silenced. We all see life from where we are and most of us are doing the best we can. I do not find it as easy as you seem to to figure all this out and see it all in such a positive light. I would feel so alone in my confusion if others were not sharing their confusion too. I know you don't like the 'Catholic blogoshere' and often I don't care for it myself....but I love Cardinal Burke and am very grateful for him. He is having a hard time with this (and I am too) but perhaps he knows much more about what is going on inside the synod. I am not disappointed in him at all. I stand with Cardinal Burke and I stand with the African Bishops... I follow Uju hon Culture of Life Africa. <br />This interview with Cardinal Kasper upset her...and me. http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/cardinal-kasper-growing-majority-in-synod-support-divorce-remarriage-proposal <br />Here is her article:<br />http://www.cultureoflifeafrica.com/2014/10/please-listen-to-africans-at-synod.html?m=1platohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02429282716197202042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-53676179967983592782014-10-15T22:37:45.246-04:002014-10-15T22:37:45.246-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Terry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09819523933502820341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-43506715249275699722014-10-15T21:29:37.289-04:002014-10-15T21:29:37.289-04:00Thank you very much for this thoughtful comment. ...Thank you very much for this thoughtful comment. It is good to know that not everyone is getting sucked into the hysteria. As you say, we need to trust in and believe that the Holy Spirit is in charge. I think Pope Francis is showing tremendous love and courage at the same time in allowing people to speak their minds. His papacy is the personification of mercy, and instead of standing in judgment and running around like Chicken Little declaring that the sky is falling, as you say, we should be learning from him. <br /><br />God bless you for your faithfulness to Christ, His Vicar and His Church.Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-25920396539154801042014-10-15T21:24:25.978-04:002014-10-15T21:24:25.978-04:00Thank you so much for this comment. I am not very...Thank you so much for this comment. I am not very happy with Cardinal Burke's comments either. It is not good that a cardinal is challenging the Holy Father. I didn't include this in my post because I think that is a whole other subject. <br /><br />Another Catholic blogger from Brooklyn - Deacon Greg Kandra, whom I highly respect - linked to an interesting article about the "value" comment from Catholic News Agency <br /><br />http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2014/10/from-the-synod-was-something-lost-in-translation/<br /><br />"An incorrect translation into English of the original midterm report of the Synod on the Family may have spurred controversial interpretations of the document itself.<br /><br />The document’s original version was written in Italian, which Pope Francis directed to be used as the official language of the synod. In prior synods the official language had been Latin, esteemed for its precision and lack of ambiguity.<br /><br />The point of controversy occurs at paragraph 50 of the relatio. The Italian original, after praising the gifts and talents homosexuals may give to the Christian community, asked: “le nostre comunità sono in grado di esserlo accettando e valutando il loro orientamento sessuale, senza compromettere la dottrina cattolica su famiglia e matrimonio?”<br /><br />In the English translation provided by the Vatican, this is rendered as: “Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?”<br /><br />The key word “valutando,” which has sparked controversy within the Church, was translated by the Vatican as “valuing.”<br /><br />Italian’s “valutando” in fact means “evaluating,” and in this context would be better translated with “weighing” or “considering.”<br /><br />The English translation, in contrast, suggests a valuing of the homosexual orientation, which could at least create confusion to those who are faithful to the teaching of the Church."<br /><br />I also felt the same as you do about the comment regarding hell. In all of her 2000 years, the Church has never declared any specific individual to be in hell, not even the Apostle Judas. Certainly that does not mean hell is empty, but it is not the job of the Church to make that declaration, and as you say, that is exactly why the bishop made such a statement to Voris. Someone involved in a sinful lifestyle is certainly placing his or her soul in danger, but I always think of Dismas, the thief on the cross. Our Lord calls us right up to our last breath, and we can repent right up to that time. <br /><br />It seems Voris and those who think like them see everything in black and white. They seem to think that it is actually possible to judge the state of another soul, even though Our Lord has made it very clear that not only don't we have that ability, it is sinful to do so. Voris has no hesitation in declaring bishops apostates and heretics, and plainly says that anyone who doesn't see things his way is not a real Catholic. That is exactly as the Pharisees acted in the time of Christ, and Christ's comment to them was that prostitutes and tax collectors would get into the Kingdom of God ahead of them.<br /><br />And yes, as you say, to condemn the Synod is to condemn the Holy Father. We are getting into very dangerous territory there. <br /><br />I am truly praying that Michael Voris either repent of what he is doing, or that he somehow be silenced. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-38005550742835943182014-10-15T20:38:30.585-04:002014-10-15T20:38:30.585-04:00When I wrote my original comment, I had not yet li...When I wrote my original comment, I had not yet listened to Michael Voris' vortex "Burke Blasts Back". Before I only had gentle words to say. Now, not so much.<br />I posted this on CMTV facebook page, we will see how long before it is deleted.<br /><br />I stayed away for a while, trying to limit my comments. However, this goes too far and can not be ignored.<br /><br />To say the least, I am a little disappointed in Cardinal Burke. I do wish he was less recalcitrant on this issue. I believe he should remember the Holy Father's very words, "cum Petro et sub Petro".<br /><br />"The Church does not teach they are going to Hell" means that the Church states that no one is competent to declare someone is going to Hell. That is why they do not deny anyone Christian burials anymore. Someone with a STB should know that.<br /><br />"valuing their [homo]sexual orientation", let read the full sentence in its proper context. <br />Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their [homo]sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony? <br />That is a question, not a statement.<br />For the record, a homosexual orientation is no more sinful than a heterosexual orientation one. Both orientations are capable of the same level of sexual sin. <br /><br />Michael Voris keeps on making reference to the Fathers of the Synod. How about the Holy Father of the Synod. Pope Francis himself said, "the Synod always unfolds cum Petro et sub Petro, and the Pope’s presence is the guarantee for all and protection of the faith." <br />An attack on this Synod is an attack on the Holy Father and on the Catholic Church.<br /><br />As Catholics, I believe we are called to have more faith in our Holy Father and the ongoing Synod on the Family and in the overall processes of our Church.<br />If we can not do that, how can we possibly call ourselves loyal sons and daughters of Holy Mother Church?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438975605937602658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-47714268619681383532014-10-15T18:26:02.295-04:002014-10-15T18:26:02.295-04:00There are some people who aren't happy unless ...There are some people who aren't happy unless they're complaining. They exaggerate and predict doom and gloom. They see the cup as half empty ...never does it runneth over for them.That they spread their negativity to others and incite ill feelings toward Church hierarchy is shameful. Michael Voris is probably the most prominent example of Chicken Little syndrome among Catholic professionals. He has a gaggle of Henny Pennies following and repeating after him, "the sky is falling!!!". They're a bunch of malcontents who seem to enjoy being in a perpetual state of high drama. I supported Voris until I realized he frequently stretches and manipulates facts. His sarcasm and disdain for Church hierarchy comes through loud and clear and isn't helpful in drawing people to the Church or saving souls. To get so up in arms at this preliminary stage of the Synod demonstrates a lack of trust in the Holy Spirit. I think Pope Francis knows exactly what he's doing in allowing those attending the Synod to express themselves freely. The fact that a few like Cardinal Kasper are promoting ideas contrary to doctrine doesn't mean that doctrine will be changed. Christ's teaching will prevail. And, in the end, those who are now speaking against Church doctrine won't be able to claim that they were silenced. They will have been heard and their ideas will be soundly rejected. Catholics in social media have become so impatient and attempt to politicize the Church by segregating themselves into various factions using labels (liberal/conservative) to denounce each other. They work against unity. They've lost sight of Christ and His message. We must have patience and wait for the conclusion of the Synod. All this speculation and fear mongering go against Christ's many admonitions against fear and anxiety. I believe Pope Francis is endeavoring to bring Christ's message of love and joy of the gospel to the world. God bless him. Let's pray for him and for all ordained men.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10609771699908232777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-54623307269036780152014-10-15T17:45:36.739-04:002014-10-15T17:45:36.739-04:00My feelings exactly. Our Lord always told us &quo...My feelings exactly. Our Lord always told us "be not afraid." Those who are telling us we need to fear are certainly not listening to Him. Catholic in Brooklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714284710110785019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5636389828900724226.post-67377363162274285132014-10-15T16:34:48.434-04:002014-10-15T16:34:48.434-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438975605937602658noreply@blogger.com