However, you, Father Z, are rather excited about the idea, as you wrote:
Like Michael Voris. Hate Michael Voris. Whatever. Voris is a man with convictions and he acts on them. That’s admirable.
Like his projects. Hate his projects. He is doing something concrete with the time, talent and treasure at his disposal.
Would that more Catholics had his energy and determination!Really, Father Z? Do you know exactly what "convictions" Michael Voris holds?
Michael Voris has made his living by telling Catholics that their No. 1 enemy is the Catholic hierarchy. He instills paranoia in his listeners by telling them there is a snake under every rock in the Catholic Church. He tells his listeners to completely reject those in authority and to separate from the establishment Church which he calls the "Church of Nice".
Here are a few excerpts from just one Vortex episode:
Father, did you know that Voris goes even further and encourages his listeners to commit mortal sin by willfully withholding financial support from their Catholic parishes and dioceses so that the parishes and dioceses will be destroyed:
Father Z, are you really telling us we should admire a person who calls for the destruction of the "establishment" Church and its hierarchy, and who actually applauds this destruction when he thinks he sees it happening? Should we admire a person who makes threatening statements against one of the direct descendants of the apostles?
I have posted this several times now, but just in case you haven't seen it, Father Z, here is a quote from St. Catherine of Siena's Dialogue. These, according to St. Catherine, are the words of God the Father:
Father Z, you also must be very aware that Michael Voris' own bishop has forbidden Voris to identify his organization as "Catholic", forbidding him to use the word "Catholic" in any way to describe his activities. And yet you say we must admire him?
Father Z, you support Voris with these words:
Obviously you do, because you ended your post with this offer:
He was also the target of some nasty attacks from other prelates, but never once did he speak against them.
Here are a few excerpts from just one Vortex episode:
If you make your way around the Catholic world today, one thing is blinding. It’s inescapable – there is an apostate Church operating within the power structure of the establishment Church. It is a wicked evil thing. Parish after parish, diocese after diocese has abandoned the true faith.
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Huge swaths, large giant portions of the Church are simply in apostasy – populated with practical heretics – it is in short – the triumph of the Protestant heresy on the ground, even as Protestantism itself crumbles into a million pieces and rejects teaching after teaching of Christ.
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Yes, there is an apostate Church – which encompasses a huge portion of Catholics these days – whose God is not Our Blessed Lord, but man.
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Time is running out .. repent and let go of the apostate Church – the one that teaches you nothing in preparation for standing before Almighty God. Not for nothing did St. Paul himself say – work out your salvation in Fear and Trembling.
Get away from those in the Church who hide this truth from you. Run from them as you would from the fires of Hell.
Father, did you know that Voris goes even further and encourages his listeners to commit mortal sin by willfully withholding financial support from their Catholic parishes and dioceses so that the parishes and dioceses will be destroyed:
Since money seems to be the only thing that motivates the Establishment Church – it is more than time for the faithful to begin withholding contributions. Why give money to a diocese that is gonna use that money to keep the status quo going – to abuse faithful Catholics while supporting fake Catholics – parishes and individuals.
The whole thing is gonna blow up anyway – the sooner the better. What will emerge from the rubble is a purified Church, doctrinally, liturgically, morally, devotionally and clerically. Too bad Catholics didn’t know this about 50 years ago.Did you know that Voris actually calls the majority of bishops in the Catholic Church "dead branches that need to be thrown in the fire":
Too much of the establishment [the bishops] in the Church have turned to dead branches and the sooner they are cut off and become fuel for the fire .. the better for the rest of the vine.
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And while it’s a pity that they [the bishops] made these choices .. it is NOT a pity that it has come to this. How can Our Blessed Lord continue to bless dead branches. They [the bishops] must be cut off and thrown into the fire .. and that is exactly what is happening and frankly .. too bad it didn't happen sooner.It is no secret that Michael Voris despises Timothy Cardinal Dolan, and has made threatening statements against him. In September 2014, Voris directed this statement to Cardinal Dolan:
Do not think the punishment visited on you will not be of the most severe sort when you die, perhaps even before you die, if you do not change.
Just last week on his Mic'd Up show, Voris said this of Cardinal Dolan:
Cardinal Dolan needs to publicly repent of his evil while there is still air in his lungs. Until he does, his Eminence should be quite nervous when he hears something go bump in the middle of the night because, like all of us, one of these nights is going to be his last.
Father Z, are you really telling us we should admire a person who calls for the destruction of the "establishment" Church and its hierarchy, and who actually applauds this destruction when he thinks he sees it happening? Should we admire a person who makes threatening statements against one of the direct descendants of the apostles?
I have posted this several times now, but just in case you haven't seen it, Father Z, here is a quote from St. Catherine of Siena's Dialogue. These, according to St. Catherine, are the words of God the Father:
Christ on earth, then, has the keys to the blood. If you remember, I showed you this in an image when I wanted to teach you the respect laypeople ought to have for these ministers of mine, regardless of how good or evil they may be, and how displeased I am with disrespect. . . .
These are my anointed ones, and therefore it has been said through Scripture, "Dare not touch my christs." Therefore, a person can do no worse violence than to assume the right to punish my ministers.
Father Z, you also must be very aware that Michael Voris' own bishop has forbidden Voris to identify his organization as "Catholic", forbidding him to use the word "Catholic" in any way to describe his activities. And yet you say we must admire him?
Father Z, you support Voris with these words:
Here is his latest. I don’t know if his new – and really interesting – initiative is going to work or not, but, hey! Michael, I’ve gotta hand it to you. You clearly love the Church. You are leaving it all out on the field. You could pull this off!
Helping to build up men who will serve God in some calling? Oorah!You tell Michael Voris, "You clearly love the Church." Really??? Are we talking about the same guy who made all of the above statements in condemnation of the establishment Church and her hierarchy? Is this the same Michael Voris who made not one but at least two threats against Cardinal Dolan? This is a guy that you think should be teaching and shaping young men in the Church?
Obviously you do, because you ended your post with this offer:
If you want me to come to say Mass for the guys sometime, or give them a talk, I’m game. Good luck and God love you!Father Z, you end your post with "God love you!", a phrase which Voris has stolen from the Venerable Fulton Sheen. Archbishop Sheen was most likely the top Evangelist in the 20th Century. He is responsible for maybe millions of converts through his books, newspaper columns, radio shows, TV shows and personal appearances. Even though he was not in good health, he spent the last years of his life giving retreats to priests and other religious.
He was also the target of some nasty attacks from other prelates, but never once did he speak against them.
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And yet you, Father Z, think Michael Voris is someone who should be shaping the minds and hearts of impressionable young men.
Father Z, you really need to rethink this one.
I was also very concerned, Father Z, about comments left by your readers:
yatzer says:
I think of him as rather like Jeremiah or John the Baptist.jacobi says:
I have heard Michael Voris teach simple clear Catholic belief on major issues of our time something I have yet to hear, over a period of say 20 years, from a Catholic Priest or bishop!Mother says:
I LOVE Michael Voris!Debbie from NC says:
May God protect and bless Michael Voris and his apostolate ChurchMilitantTV with the necessary gifts of the Holy Spirit, wisdom, prudence, and charity, to deliver and defend the truth in love.
gaudiumcumpace says:
For many, the Truth is hard to hear. This new project calls to mind good Saint J. Bosco. We need more men like Mr Voris.
Father Z, you are an ordained Catholic priest and have made your ministry on the Internet. You have been given a very heavy responsibility and will have to answer for the souls you influence, either good or bad. Many people hang on your every word. Do you really think you should be telling your readers to support someone who makes statements such as these:
Most of the establishment Church is in the hands of the diabolical and its only when you come to grips with THAT truth that there is any hope for reform.and
Like the old adage goes – feed a cold, starve a fever. The Establishment Church has a death bed fever. Time to starve it. Maybe then the homosexualists in power throughout the Church will think twice before trying to go after the few faithful Catholics left.Father Z, please rethink your position on this.
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